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Ascent to Grandview-Conversation with NP GIS Specialist on 2021-02-22

Climber: Dave Covill

Date:Monday, February 22, 2021
Ascent Type:No Summit Goal
Point Reached:Grandview - Conversation with NP GIS Specialist
    Location:USA-West Virginia
    Elevation:2500 ft / 762 m

Ascent Trip Report

I have had several conversations with the New River Gorge NP GIS Specialist in the past week. He was wonderful to work with, and after I discussed our concerns about Park vs Preserve boundaries, as well as Public NPS vs Private In-Holding issues, he immediately jumped on it.

The answer is simple; he has access to 1' DEM data and performed a detailed LIDAR analysis of the situation. He agreed that the Grandview area was the National Park Highpoint. He analyzed the 4 closed contour areas near the Grandview parking area. He agreed to number them 1 > 4, N > S. The Northern Area near the circle and the Southern Area near the old cemetery and NP boundary are both about 2,516-17'. The two middle Areas near clearings in the woods are each about 2,505', and can be safely ignored by visiting Highpointers.

He provided me with two separate views of each area: a LIDAR 1' contour superimposed onto a standard USGS Topo Map view with the highest point delineated, and then the same shot with an Aerial Photo view. I have uploaded these images as if they were a photo to my Trip Report. Click to enlarge. If you make an image as a JPG and not a PDF or some other image, you can easily do this as the Peakbagger system doesn't care what an image is so long as it is in JPG format.

I think that the 1' difference between the Southern and Northern Areas is Too Close To Call, and that both should be visited to claim this NP HP. The Northern Area is a few feet from the parking circle, right on a path. The Southern Area is along the lane that leads to the old cemetery, and high ground is within the fenced sides of the lane. Zooming on the Aerial Photo in PB you can ascertain that there is indeed a fence along both sides of the lane. The GIS Ranger says that the Park boundary is along the SW side of the road, and that the lane itself is within the Park. It is not gated. Access is OK, but stay clear of the dwelling at the corner of the main road.

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We then discussed the issue of the Preserve Highpoint. He agreed that it was Swell Mountain, but noted that it is a private land inholding within the Preserve boundary, which runs more or less across the top of the hill. He showed via his map views to me that NP land lies a short ways downslope to the east from the summit, and that at that point would lie the highest Public property ground within the Preserve, it being higher than other nearby hills. He also noted that the unnamed hills almost as high to the NW were also private.

He is researching for me how to best access this area, and should have an answer in the coming months. If Swell Mtn becomes a promoted peak I can upload the LIDAR view of it.

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He was most fascinated with our website and loosely associated gang of peakbaggers. He looked carefully at the nearby WV COHPs even before I urged him to do so. Reach out to me if you have questions. DaveCovill@Gmail.com
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Area 1 - near Grandview parking circle - LIDAR 1' contours with USGS Topo superimposed (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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Other Photos

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Area 1 - near Grandview parking circle - Aerial Photo with HP shown (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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Area 2 & 3 - in clearings near woods to the southeast - LIDAR 1' contours with USGS Topo superimposed (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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Areas 2 & 3 - in clearings near woods to the southeast - Aerial Photo with HPs shown (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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Area 4 - near old cemetery to the far southeast - LIDAR 1' contours with USGS Topo superimposed (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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Area 4 - near old cemetery to the far southeast - Aerial Photo with HP shown (2021-02-22). Photo by Dave Covill.
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